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3x cancer survivor shares her journey and best tips for preventing cancer w/ Cancer Coach Casey Head

• Alisha Carlson • Episode 177

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Meet Casey:
My name is Casey Kang Head. I am a 3x survivor of acute lymphoblastic leukemia & stroke survivor. I am now a cancer coach that teaches survivors how to reclaim their life and learn how to live differently to ensure they are stronger physically, mentally & emotionally so they don’t live life in fear.

I am an Author of “Finding Your Way Back to Heart Center; Cancer Treatment Ended Now What?,  personal trainer, Yoga instructor, Yoga for oncology certified, Yoga for Trauma, Cancer Exercise Specialist, PN Level 1 Nutritionist, Restorative Yoga, NICABM Trauma Certified, Happiness Certified, Level 1 Reiki Healer and lifelong learner. I am dog mom to Lily. 

 You can find me on IG & FB @thehappierhustle

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Casey's candid retelling goes beyond the trials of treatment, exploring how the ordeal compelled her to redefine her life's priorities and the very concept of health itself. Her poignant narrative is a potent reminder of the human spirit's indomitable will and the intricate tapestry that true well-being weaves, far surpassing diet and exercise.

As Casey transformed adversity into advocacy, she now stands as a cancer coach, helping others navigate the tumultuous waters of post-treatment life. 

Our discussion highlights the key lifestyle changes she embraced – 
-a transition to a nourishing plant-based Pescatarian diet
-the pivotal role of mental health 
-and the overarching imperative to reduce stress. 

We talk about the exciting realm of epigenetics and its potential impact on our health destinies, as Casey underscores the necessity of holistic self-care, from the food we eat to the boundaries we set.

 Her insights offer practical strategies for anyone intent on fortifying their defenses against illness and fostering a life of balance, wellness, and mindful presence. 

Join us as we chat about the journey of resilience and embrace the transformative power of a health-conscious lifestyle.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Hey, welcome back to the Strong Her Way to Eat, move and Live. Here we talk all things food, freedom, fitness and life transformation, helping you heal your relationship to food, exercise your body and yourself. Today I am so excited to be bringing this guest on with us. Her name is Casey Head and she is a cancer coach, so we have definitely never had a guest on the show that goes by cancer coach or even has her story and her experience, so I am super stoked to have you here, casey, do you want to go ahead and just kind of introduce yourself a little bit beyond what I shared?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Sure, so thank you, first and foremost, for having me here. I'm really grateful to be with you today.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I am a three-time cancer survivor from acute lymphoblastic leukemia, and I'll give the brief story but can be quite long. I was diagnosed at 31 years old and four months into my treatment I had a stroke, so I had to relearn how to walk and use my entire left side body. Then I got done with treatment, which was 18 months long. Seven weeks later relapsed. The first time we didn't really have a lot of options, it was immunotherapy or clinical trial. And well, the immunotherapy did not work and then the clinical trial got shut down. So I was sent home from the hospital and they told me to settle my affairs.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Then came about a moon shot of another immunotherapy, because now the goal was to get into remission, to get to a stem cell transplant. Well, it was a moon shot because it was an immunotherapy that was not for my cancer, and so we wrote a letter of compassion to the FDA and drug manufacturer and thankfully got access to it, got into remission after four rounds of it, did a stem cell transplant. Six months later relapsed again. We did another four rounds of immunotherapy and I am here and that was, and now we are six years out of that.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Well, I don't know if congratulations is like the thing that you say to somebody that has beat cancer not only once, but three times.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

But I am having a hard time wrapping my head around having cancer or getting the diagnosis one time but then to have it two more times after that, and in such quick succession. What was going through your head? I mean just for listeners that don't have cancer or maybe haven't ever even had anybody close to them that has been touched by this. What was that like?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I mean, there are so many questions that go through your head, but you truly do start to realize what's important, what's not important, and you start to prioritize those things. And you know, I was diagnosed at a time where I thought I was healthy and I was quote, unquote at my healthiest that I had been in a long time since, like probably high school, which isn't relevant because you're not healthy in high school. So it came out of what seemed out of nowhere and you, you, you rethink your entire life plan and it makes you question every decision that you've made along the way.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

So you said, when you were first diagnosed, that you were at your healthiest. What did that look like for you? Or like when you say that what does that mean?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Well, I say that and I say, quote unquote, healthiest because I was exercising and I was starting to eat better, although I was what you call like a weekend warrior. So the minute the weekend hit, it was how quickly can I get that glass of red wine in my hands? I was working 50 plus hours a week. I had a two hour daily commute. My emotional and mental mindset were not healthy and I thought I was being healthy and I was so far from it. Yeah, in hindsight.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, it is so interesting because I think when we initially had our conversation, I had an experience where it was like, oh my gosh, like I'm the healthiest I've ever been in terms of like exercising and eating, but there were so many other like unhealthy things happening, and so it's always interesting to me, like when somebody says, oh, this was when I was my healthiest, like what does that look like, what does that mean to you?

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

So in your mind, so you're, you're feeling like, okay, I'm the healthiest I've ever been in terms of I'm starting to be more aware and mindful of food choices, I'm starting to exercise. How did that getting that cancer diagnosis, like what went through your head, sort of looking at the lifestyle changes that you had made? And actually I guess maybe we should back up a little bit. Can you tell us a little bit more about the type of the particular type of cancer that you had? Like, what causes that? Or, you know, because, like some cancers, it's like oh, you know, lung cancer is typically very strongly correlated with some sort of, you know, tobacco use or smoking. But what about the cancer that you had?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

So, what I had is this is a very rare children's cancer. To begin with, I think it's typical age ranges anywhere from one to five and it's fewer than 5000 people or children globally a year. So, being a young adult in the age category that I was in, it's even rarer. I think there's like globally a thousand people ish that are diagnosed with what I got and I mean I can surmise why it happened now in hindsight, in the moment I had no idea. You know, I grew up in a very motorist, traumatic household and that led to decisions in my 20s that continued that stress that I had created in my. That was created in my, you know, from eight years old on and so that you know, at some point you know you can't keep fueling a car on empty my immune system was just like, yeah, we're going to stop working.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, because you said you know, so you were exercising, starting to eat better, but what you would dub is kind of like the weekend warrior. So it's sort of is that mentality of like I'll be good Monday through Friday or Monday through Thursday, and then Friday night, saturday, sunday, all bets are off. You know, we kind of fall back into that old eating or old lifestyle. And then also you mentioned like working long days, having long hours with the commute, highly stressful job, and I think what's interesting is that so many people listening to this can probably go through and like mentally check those boxes off of like having long days, having a lot of demands placed on them, whether it's through their career only or between juggling the career and the family. So tell us a little bit about, like, what were the steps? Or so you're a cancer coach now how did that come about and how do you really navigate working with your clients when they're going through the cancer treatment and just this journey?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Yeah, so there's a lot of support during the journey. There's a lot of organizations that help, and I want to be supportive. What I found, though, was, when you survive, there's not a lot of resources, and the resources that I found are from practitioners who mean well, but they are not helpful, because, unless you've walked this journey, you really cannot understand what it takes to not only physically recover, but mentally, emotionally, and that is what I try to do with the clients that I work with, because I just found, like I was really angry, coming out of treatment, that there weren't support systems. I just thought there were, assuming that the system would set us up to succeed, and the medical system just said go live life You're like, but the life that I knew is not the life that I'm getting now.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, yeah, I imagine it would be hard to go back to life as normal, especially having multiple diagnoses. And then I think you said it was like on your third one they were like okay, basically, sorry, think about kind of end of life, how do you want to get things sorted out. And then you're sort of given the gift to continue to live. It's like, okay, well, how do I move forward? So for you, what changes do you feel like you made after that last sort of round of treatment?

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Moving forward, like because if I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, okay, I've heard it said I don't know how much validity there is to this, but I've heard it said at one point it's not a matter of if you'll get cancer, but when and what type. So maybe you can speak to. Is that an accurate statement? It certainly does seem like you're hearing more and more people, or I'm knowing more and more people that are being affected by cancer. So maybe one you could kind of speak to that. And two, if you're listening and it's like, okay, the odds that I'm going to end up with some type of cancer are pretty high. What are some things that I can do proactively? So I guess there's like two questions in that.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Yeah. So it is getting diagnosed more and more frequently. There's going to be a lot of survivors out there as well, and what I do differently is I was one of those people that would compromise everything that I wanted to do to go help everyone else. So when it came to self care and prioritizing my health, I wasn't. You know. My husband would say like, oh well, let's just go to brunch, even though I wanted to go work out. I would go, okay, let's just go to brunch, like no big deal, I'll exercise later, like thinking that I would, but I wouldn't.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

So I really prioritize not only physical health. I eat cleanly. I went plant based Pascitarian. I really love fish. I can't let it go. I've eliminated a lot of things out of my diet and no longer drink. Alcohol is technically labeled as a carcinogen, though that's not helping our cause. I make sure my mental and emotional health are on point. I went back and healed a lot of the trauma of going through cancer and in my childhood that I don't think I would have done ever if I had a choice. So health to me has not has shifted from just, yes, I'm physically exercising. It's so much more. I meditate every day. I lower as much stress as I can. That's in my control. I really practice what I preach and it makes a huge difference in our health because of epigenetics, because we have this ability to be able to turn on and off these cells. Thankfully, we do have a lot more control, so you can be preventative in a sense of the word.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

So if somebody's listening and they're wanting to make some tangible lifestyle changes that could be potentially very powerful and helping to sort of stave off cancer or prevent it, what would be kind of your top, I mean, I'm sure there could be like a lot of things, but if we're talking like the biggest bang for your buck, what are the lifestyle changes that we should be looking to make?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I would say number one if you aren't exercising, exercise reducing as much stress in your life as possible, and I know that for some people they're like but I have kids everything is stressful. Yes, it can be stressful, but you can also put in systems in place to make it less stressful. And there's a reason why they call it. It takes a village, because we're not supposed to be raising kids on our own, so stress is huge. That's it for me. In my opinion, honestly, taking out alcohol, it is labeled a carcinogen. There's a reason why it's definitely it's an endocrine destructor as well. So it's like, if you want the biggest bang for your buck, those would be. Those would be them based on the data. I mean you could take it one step further Always and go plant-based if you can. There's data to support, and Not just from cancer, but autoimmune disease and chronic health issues that people do have to support Going that way.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, I think what's interesting, like when I look at plant-based or you know people that are going vegetarian or even keto I think that sometimes People are doing it in an effort to be healthier and, you know, sometimes like weight loss gets kind of thrown in as a factor. For some people, losing weight is going to be like a positive towards your health, for some people not so much, and it's it really is more just about the lifestyle changes. What I would caution against, if you're listening to this and you're considering plant-based or keto or any of these other things, is making sure that we're not just adding in a bunch of like highly processed plant-based foods, right, so there's the term. I don't know much about keto, you know, in terms of like diets, I feel like I'm fairly agnostic, like, if you want to try it, great. But the concern is is that you then start adding in a bunch of highly processed food. That's not necessarily going to be as beneficial and potentially even more damaging than sticking to kind of An omnivorous diet, if you will, but focusing on being more whole food centric, right, and so I think you know that's the thing that sort of comes up for me is you see people that are like oh, I'm plant-based or I'm you know, I'm doing this for my health, but they're eating a lot of highly processed plant-based foods and then I'm you know. So then you're kind of like well, is that actually beneficial for your health or not? So I just wanted to kind of throw that caveat out there for anybody that's listening.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Yeah, no, and that's a great point. Like I preach, I eat I myself and preach that if you can get it from Whole Foods, we should be. We should not be eating processed garbage food like garbage in garbage out, like. If we really want to make our health our priority, we can't keep feeding our bodies full of chemicals like what do you think?

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, and it's. It's interesting because I used to eat super clean and had the experience of becoming like super rigid, super fierce around food and you know they call that orthorexia, right. Where it's like this, it's an unhealthy Way of eating healthy, to where it's like super extreme causes a lot of fear and anxiety around food. I don't know that there's like an official diagnosis for that. So I think you know, when we're talking about eating clean or eating Whole Foods, it's recognizing that that's gonna look different, obviously based on your life circumstances and what resources you have available. And then I think also, if you're listening to this and you have a history of disordered eating, I think it's being very careful About how you navigate that. And you know, potentially like really working with somebody that specializes in eating disorders or working with disordered eating To help you kind of work on your relationship to food so that you can make those decisions around food and not have it take the mental and the emotional toll that it can otherwise.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Right, like I, I still eat things like cookies from time to time, like I'm still human, like I'm not.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

A robot and I'm not so rigid where if something's on my plate I'm not gonna eat it. Like you know, I'll make that decision in the game time, like I just won't eat meat and not the only thing that I want, but you have to in To piggyback on for that. It's a diet that you can stick to for the long term, like a diet is just what you eat on a daily basis, not like For any specific reason, and I think if you can stick to whatever it is you choose and it works Great. Yeah, and then the exercise component.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

I am a huge fan of that, you know. I do think, you know, to an extent food can be medicine, food is medicine. Food can also make us sick. I mean, there's no denying that when you look at Certain things, that is, in the American food source, compared to similar products overseas, and you look at the American food source, it does kind of cause you to pause a little bit. And this is sort of getting off topic.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

But I think it's important To just remember that the food industry doesn't necessarily have our health and well-being in mind, right that when I learned about the whole thing of like food engineering, I was like, okay, wait a minute, somebody actually gets paid to make sure that we Can't necessarily like stop eating. Like you have to be super intentional about not eating the entire bag of potato chips, right. Or like, okay, I'm only gonna have one cookie. Like you have to really have some safeguards in place for yourself, because A lot of that highly processed food is manufactured To really light our brain up so that it's hard for us to control that. And so for me, when I was a little kid, I just think you know, man, I don't want to.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

I mean victim maybe of like this food engineering right. So it's just like recognizing too, I think, that a lot of that food that's made in a lab or is manufactured and is highly processed it is great to enjoy on occasion and let's do that, but let's also recognize that you know, long-term compounded probably not gonna be like the healthiest for us. So I do love the exercise component. With the research in cancer, does it matter? What type of exercise? Is it any kind of movement and exercise? Are they finding that certain things are more beneficial?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I think movement in general is what we're trying to achieve. It's what is it? 20 minutes, five days a week is the bare minimum and again, any type of movement is going to help. The tricky part becomes when you're both cancer and what are your goals. And you know, 99.9% of women are thrust into metapause because of the treatment. So you have to work out differently. And also, going through chemotherapy and radiation, you lose a lot of bone density, so you do have to work out differently. I would say focusing more on strength training as a survivor is going to ultimately help not only your bone health but if you're dealing with especially metapause.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, and I mean I'm a big advocate, for I think all movement counts and I think it's just like having a healthy diet let's have some variety. But I am a huge fan of resistance training, especially for women, regardless of really any stage of life or whether you're a cancer survivor or not, because it does have so many positive benefits that can help with a flexible metabolism, your bones. Maintaining strength and muscle mass as we age is just going to make like daily living activities so much easier. And I was talking about this with a client today in one of our sessions and she was like it's amazing how much what she's doing in the gym in terms of lifting and challenging her body is really translating into how she parents. Right, she's like she's got a toddler, she's home with the kid, her son, most of the time and it really helps to have that like physical strength or like challenging your body physically, to be like, okay, I can do hard things, I can kind of push myself to get through the end of this day, and so that was like an experience that I had as well. So I'm glad that we're recommending and kind of promoting strength training and then I think the other two that you kind of touched on was the stress component.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

So, like Casey said, minimizing stress as much as you can, knowing that stress is kind of a normal part of life and to a degree we do need some stress, right. I think the issue is that it is so easy nowadays to live like a hyper stressed life that it's almost like we're putting too much on the body that it ends up breaking right. So it is kind of like that Goldilocks effect where you don't wanna have too little stress because that's not healthy either, but too much stress kind of breaks the body. So what are some of your kind of stress tips that you have for people in terms of either, how can they look at minimizing it? How do you kind of coach your clients through managing the stress that they can't get rid of?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Right, it's not always an option for some people to quit their job and find new sources of employment. So it's really diving into more mindfulness, meditation, getting sleep, prioritizing that is huge, which I didn't mention before. That's always going to help stress level Because if you're tired and you're stressed, like that's leading to more stress. Exercise, nourishing your body as much as possible, because when you're stressed out and adding garbage into the just fuels the fire. So it's like they all kind of play off of each other. But I would say journaling, meditation, gratitude all have been shown, scientifically proven to lower stress. So those three things, just right there, will lower your stress. Managing your time better lower your stress. Planning a little bit of preparation and planning goes a long way to minimizing stress and asking for help. They know having boundaries, like those basic things that we as women are really not great at.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, and what's interesting is I don't even know that a lot of that stuff is like intentionally taught. You know I'm trying to think about. Okay, you know I certainly I don't think anybody really taught me to set boundaries. And then I'm thinking about, in parenting my own kids I think over the past probably decade or so, I've been a little bit more aware of the importance of it and trying to help them establish boundaries. But it just really isn't one of those things that you kind of talk about and usually you don't know that your boundaries have been crossed or violated until after the fact.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

So it's so funny and I think too, one of the things that really has helped with my own stress levels is managing my mind Right. It's like there used to be times that I would be physically drained and exhausted by the end of the day, and it's because my mind was just on overdrive with so many different thoughts, constantly replaying certain conversations. You know worrying and thinking about things. You know thinking about stressing myself out about food and my body and the scale and counting calories, and you know just all of these things, and so I was actually reflecting on that, I think this morning, where I'm like man, my mind is like such a quiet place these days compared to what it used to be, and it is amazing, you know, just having some tools and some skills to kind of help quiet your brain, which is really like the gift of meditation, right, because it's being able to kind of observe your thoughts, slow things down for yourself. So that is huge.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

And then I think the last thing you mentioned was alcohol, which you know people are gonna have, I'm sure, all sorts of opinions about that.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

But again, you know, I listened to a podcast a few months back and they were kind of looking at, you know, different types of alcohol and really like how much alcohol is sort of safe or like, quote unquote beneficial and it really depends on, I mean, I've heard several different talks about this or podcasts, but really what I'm hearing a lot more recently is that there's not really like a safe amount of alcohol for consumption.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

And they said, you know, if we were gonna look at anyone being like potentially like the most health beneficial would be red wine. But I think even then you know they're like but that doesn't like it's not a health food, like it's not. You know it's cause I think there was a misconception or there was maybe it was just a big marketing thing where it was like, oh, red wine has resveratrol, which is potentially good for your heart. But then you know you have to think about consumption as well, and chances are most people are not having like one serving of wine, which is, I think, is it like one to two ounces, or maybe two to three, like it's not really as much as you're getting poured when you go out or that you're probably pouring for yourself 100%.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I think it's like four ounces, to be honest, and we do not exercise moderation in our lives very often, and I'll call it's one of those slippery slopes where you're like one glass leads to two, leads to three, leads to four, and so for some it's just easier to cut out completely than to exert that mental fortitude to go. I'm not doing the second glass, yeah, and so I'm not saying like never drink in your life, but if you can exert the self-control, great, but if. But there are so many that can.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, and it is. It is one of those things that's hard and really, over the past couple of years I would say like in 2020, I noticed I started drinking more and it was more, had more time or whatever, and kind of cut back. And alcoholism runs in my family, so I think it's always been something that has kind of been on my radar and really, kind of towards the end of the summer I just started, it just started swirling where I was like you know, like maybe I just want to give up alcohol, like you know, or at the very least, just be cutting way back. And so that's been kind of an interesting thing to sit and ponder, because I know you know the trans theoretical model of change, and so I could see myself sort of in pre-contemplation of where you're kind of just like thinking about making a change, sort of weighing the pros and the cons and thinking through it. And what's funny is I feel like for the most part, I don't even really miss it. It's you know, we don't really keep it in the house. I don't find that. I think about it. So it's been kind of an interesting thing to just sort of watch myself. And I think, you know, at the end of the day, it really is one of those things where it can be super hard to stay within the range that you set for yourself, especially in social situations. At the time of this recording, you know holidays are gonna be coming up soon, lots of parties so yeah, you know that's something to consider. If you're listening to this and maybe even just taking inventory, you know how am I doing kind of on these areas.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

The exercise, you know, even if you don't wanna be plant-based, maybe you wanna consider adding in more plants to your everyday stress, right? So what can I do to help manage? I love that. You said you know even planning ahead. I think so often we think that we have to just completely cut certain things out in order to minimize the stress.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

But how often are you feeling stressed because you're running late or you're running behind, or it feels like you're constantly trying to put fires out in your life versus just planning ahead? The exercise, the sleep I think those are all great things, whether you're thinking about preventing cancer or just general health, and that's really what I've noticed is it seems like no matter what major topic you're talking about, it kind of tends to be the same types of things Eat more veggies, get more movement, get more sleep, you know, do what you can to help kind of minimize the toll stress takes on your life. Is there anything else that you want to kind of share with people in terms of your story or things that they can be doing preventatively?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I think one of the biggest things that I wish I had done a lot earlier to not it wouldn't have prevented me from having cancer, but it would have definitely helped was to address the mental and emotional components that I were having. You know, I had unresolved things from my childhood that I just wanted to avoid and those things. They are all related and I didn't know what I know now and I think if I were to do anything, I would be that get my mental and emotional ducts in order.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, that is huge, I think. I mean, I think to an extent all of us are kind of carrying around some of that stuff from the past. Even if you've had like a great childhood, grew up in a great home, there still are things that have happened kind of throughout the years that you've experienced, and so I love that you kind of highlight that in terms of, like you know, maybe do kind of a quick inventory on like you know, are there things from my past that maybe need some healing, that you know talking to a therapist or a counselor or some of these other modalities can really help kind of straighten some of those things out, so that you're not carrying that mental and emotional trauma and stress around with you along with everything else that you're facing right now right.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

And it really can add up.

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

Yeah, especially on a daily basis. It's like you know, life is stressful enough and it's like, if you're carrying around programming from our childhood that, literally I grew up with, the generation of like be a good girl, help, like attitude, like you didn't have the ability or the authority to say no, and so that line of not having boundaries it crossed all the time, and so we, this programming that we grew up with, we don't necessarily have to keep doing.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Yeah, the first thing, I think, is always that awareness right, it's like, okay, what you know, you could say what stories am I believing or what habits do I have? You know, do I find that I can never say no? Do I feel like I can never say no to things? Do I feel like I always need to say yes and jump in and, you know, just start to uncover some of those things and just see and maybe for some people I know, I could probably look back and I could pick out, you know, maybe a handful of things where it's like, oh, these were huge things that happened in my childhood, very pivotal, formative, not necessarily in a positive way. So I like that you.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

You talk about kind of addressing the things from the past as well. Well, casey, thank you so much for coming and spending some time with us and the audience today. If somebody is listening to this and there, maybe they know somebody that is going through cancer, maybe they themselves have just recently received a diagnosis or kind of going through treatment and they want to learn more about working with you. Where is the best place for them to connect with you?

Casey Head, Cancer Coach:

I'm on Instagram the most, I would say, and so I'm at the happier hustle and reach out, they listen, they hello. It's always going to be me responding.

Alisha Carlson, Non-Diet Lifestyle Coach:

Perfect, and we will be sure to have all of Casey's contact information on the show notes so you guys can connect with her there if you find yourself in this position where you're looking for a cancer coach, or maybe you know somebody who is. Thank you guys so much for spending your time with us this week. Thank you again, casey, it was a pleasure to have you on, and until next week.